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Feb 13, 2026, 06:28AM

It Would Seem Bogus

A 2012 The Believer interview with artist and painter Leonora Carrington vs. a 2023 A Rabbit’s Foot interview with filmmaker Emerald Fennell.

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Leonora Carrington: What do you want to know?

Emerald Fennell: You know, the tragic details.

Carrington: [Lights a cigarette] There are things that are not sayable.

Fennell: Of course. It’s always a difficult dance.

Carrington: I just don’t deal with publishers anymore.

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Fennell: The road to the ending is suddenly all in plain sight.

Carrington: A saying, which is not mine: “Form is emptiness and emptiness is form.”

Fennell: The question I wanted to pose was: How do you get what you want out of something that will never want you back?

Carrington: I don’t know. We didn’t know that the Nazis weren’t going to take over the world.

Fennell: It’d seem bogus.

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Carrington: Ah, yes, the Russians.

Fennell: But sex can be embarrassing. [Laughs]

Carrington: Well, you become closer to death, so that really tends to dominate everything else.

Fennell: There’s a suspension of disbelief that acknowledges: this is a film, we made this for your pleasure.

Carrington: Not that I know of.

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