Robert A. Caro: You feel, God, people don't understand. They've forgotten what government can do for them or to them.
Kevin Drumm: I know. Seriously, though, it is getting too expensive.
Caro: Well, sure. Yes.
Drumm: Lately things seem to stop working for mysterious reasons.
Caro: Because people have a need to fill the silence.
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Drumm: That compelled me, I guess, to take this "unconventional" approach a step further and make some attempt at developing my own language.
Caro: This was a very closely held secret.
Drumm: It never fucked shit up, so to speak.
Caro: Yeah. There is no one truth, you know?
Drumm: Oh, I was just talking about this yesterday.
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Caro: And you suddenly realize you haven't passed a house in 30 miles.
Drumm: These things varied, as you can tell.
Caro: Part of it was fooling people.
Drumm: It’s kind of fun that way.
Caro: Great question. [Laughter]